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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Nov 13, 2006 3:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Jazz is Dead

This post isn't about the group--although I should ask if anyone digs them, as I've not heard them mentioned in the forum before (I think they put out at least 2 discs w/some very interesting versions of tunes from Wake of the Flood and more...Billy Cobham on drums, T-Lavitz on Keys, etc....worth a try)....

Also would recommend David Murray's jazz CD of Dead cover tunes, including a really cool Estimated, Dark Star, and Shakedown--different, though--not suited to all tastes.

But I digress (as usual).

The real reason for my post is to ask for recommendations of very jazz-oriented Dead Jams....I just listened to the PITB from 7-1-73 today and was really impressed w/the jazzy feel of the long middle jam..it got a little spacey, but never lost the jazz flow. What I don't ,uch care for are the more space-oriented jams like in some of the "gooier" Dark Stars...I like the DS's that tend to favor jazz side more, and please no examples of Phil doing weird loud bass solos....makes me think of Derek Smalls leasing the "free form jazz odyssey" in Spinal Tap and I just cringe...

But any really great tunes featuring a jazzy-tinged jam would be grand (I realize i'll get a lot of '73 and '74 suggestions, but any era is welcomed). Thanks!

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Nov 13, 2006 4:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jazz is Dead

Great thread!
C'mon everybody, turn us on to some mind blowing jazzy jazzy jamms!

Tonight I am jazzzing:

1/20/68 Coltranesque & Miles Infused
7/31/74 Truckin/Mind left body/Spanish Jam
9/28/75 Not so ugly sister to 8/13/75 just might be better?

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 14, 2006 10:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jazz is Dead

I think 9-28-75 IS better and way under rated

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 13, 2006 4:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jazz is Dead

Listened to 11/11/73 again this weekend. Damn cosmic, now I'M stuck on this one. It's got jazz all over it. From the silky smooth China->Rider transition to the ultra-fine Dark Star->Eyes->China Doll.

Hmmmmmm, I don't see this show here anymore! I know where you can find it though....

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Nov 13, 2006 5:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jazz is Dead

12/18/73 Eyes of the world. Period! :D

I don't know if one is available here.. but the mp3 is at www.eurodead.net

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Nov 13, 2006 5:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jazz is Dead

Greensboro NC 3-31-91. I mention this because there is an amazing around and around with a funky jazz jam by Hornsby in the middle. I know many people aren't thrilled with this tune so i thought I'd point out a good one.

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Poster: patkelley Date: Nov 13, 2006 5:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jazz is Dead

I think that most Bird Songs from the 80s and 90s are pretty jazzy. Although they sometimes get to be like mini-DarkStars (which, if gooy, one might not care for) the way the instrumental portion was arranged and the scales etc are pretty jazzy. It's sort of Ornette Coleman-ish. Also, many mid-70s era Berthas are kinda jazzy. I dont really like to think of the GD as being a band that tried to play jazz though (and I know that no one has asserted that here yet). I like to think that they did their own thing that sometimes sounded like free-form jazz. But maybe they were trying to sound like jazz players sometimes. It certainly wouldnt surprise me coming from a band that often played Me & My Uncle or Mexicali in the same show as (fill in your favorite psychedelic colossal romp here).

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Poster: Liamfinnegan Date: Nov 13, 2006 6:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Dead is Jazz/Prog/Country/Blues/Bluegrass/Folk/Fusion/Avante Garde/Funk/Rhythm and BluesOpera/Chamber Music

10/18/72 2nd set

When I first heard the 2nd set to this show I finally realized how I crossed over from listening from nothing but Fusion/Canterbury prog/Art rock etc to ALmost nothing but the Grateful Dead:

Playin> Drums> Dark Star> Morning Dew> Playin, FOTD, Promised, Brokedown, Saturday Night> Casey Jones

The Jam Sequence that makes up the filling to the PITB sandwich is mindblowing when you put it in the perspective of 1972- it made me think of the bands I loved so much at the time like Gentle Giant, Brand X, Gong, Miles Davis' band with Holland, Hancock, Dejohnette...and others. Listen to that sequence and if you are familiar with prog/fusion you will hear what I mean.

I saw Jazz is Dead at the sorely missed Bottom line in NY and it was very good- Billy Cobham on drums, Alphonso Johnson on Bass, Jimmy Herring on guitar ( you cats are familiar with this dude, right? he is fantastic)- I am not sure I could tour with them as it was all technique with little of the "Soul" and R and B you got with the boys.

I would check them out again. Herring was with the Aquarium Rescue unit at one point- there is a remnant of that band now playing together as the "Codetalkers"- check them out right here on the LMA- very improv and nto at all a soundalike jam band as so many are now

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Poster: another one Date: Nov 14, 2006 6:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dead is Jazz/Prog/Country/Blues/Bluegrass/Folk/Fusion/Avante Garde/Funk/Rhythm and BluesOpera/Chamber Music

i got to see herring play with wsp a few weeks ago.. he was all over the place owning the songs like he'd been in the band for years. herring was the reason i even bought tix.

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Nov 13, 2006 6:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jazz is Dead

Jazz isn't dead....it just smells bad!!!!

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Poster: JodyC Date: Nov 13, 2006 8:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jazz is Dead

Great band and great thread. Haven't thought of them in a while, much less listened to them. There are some shows on gdlive Wasn't Herring playing with them for a but. If I had the time or ability, it would be cool to make a mix of the jazz suggestions= would make a killer jazzy Dead mix.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Nov 14, 2006 9:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jazz is Dead

Gents...

Thanks as always for the great suggestions. Much listening ahead.

GC

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Poster: as1307 Date: Nov 13, 2006 5:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jazz is Dead

3/23/75 is, i think, the dead at the peak of their jazzy-fusion style - with playing that ranges from black beauty era miles davis, to hancock sextant/headhunters and more free, atonal passages.

wonderful set.

great thread, btw. as a jazz fan, i'm looking forward to other responses